we had this in in serbia billboards and so on they they get an idea what 's possible and what can be done and for them it 's very important

mhm

so soon you will have a library of our reports

yes i have already also all the cds it 's

yes

everything is stored in my office

actually

[S4]

the part thought we have covered

always in good mood she is

when i saw you first time you look so strict that i that i got afraid o w what a

at the very first time or what

at the very first time yes because you you are so er sophisticated you know an d serious not in in er behavior but in er energy that you that you

really

yeah yeah

goes out of you

like a deman- demanding lady you know like yes

really

what she is actually

but then i i i can imagine

sometimes sometimes

the the first the first impression that will make you very wrong

som- yah yah

so but but then

it was x months it was the first meeting you had here before i started at [org1] i think i remember with [firstname1] or was n't it

aha

aha aha

and but then when she smiles you forget all the demands she has

no no no i mean of course sometimes you have to be very demanding

yeah but it 's it it 's it 's

i i agree this is something i always

sure sure sure

even with in our com pany yeah right right right right

i always try to be as well

i mean to have a good laugh

to my self and to other people

right right to have a good laugh is

but if you do it with charm

right right right right

and it 's it it 's with positive way it 's it 's normal

mhm mhm

and and when i do it with out smile then they know oh- oh okay

a h you know th- then they know

it 's better to run hh hh

dangerous times come

no but i really i i try ever y every day to sof ten myself because i 'm dema- i 'm very demanding to myself

yeah yeah i know and tough also

you know so i think i 'm more demanding to myself than to the others so and and sometimes when it when i discuss with [S3] i really have to soften myself or to to keep to keep myself back

hh i keep doing it for years but i do n't know

mhm

it it 's your it 's your company and that 's the difference

yes but er what a what a what er [S4] says to myself

really you have to say

m hm

and also to my closest

mhm mhm

t- to my sons to a man i live with

yeah yeah

and after a few years er years he 's fed up of my demands but i can not do differently

exactly

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yah yah yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes exactly exactly

okay yeah

then at the end you start going to to to somebody 's nerves be cause it 's es pecially to to to the close people to me because it 's everyday pushing from my side

yeah right right

uhu

mhm

yeah yeah right right right mhm

and i do it myself and somehow i do it to to people around

to other s because yeah yeah right mhm and and sometimes mhm

because this is really my way

right

and er even if you do it with a

mhm

charm and smile er i- i- it is it is difficult for the for the people

mhm yeah yeah

do as well

but it 's very very similar i mean [S3] and myself we are mo re demanding than than our er ma le co-workers

that 's true

mhm

much more demanding and from time to time really have to

i i can imagine

to er tell ourselves lay

are we stupid

lay back a bit because er

yeah really

it does n't help you know

well ladies go more in details than men this is this is

mhm mhm mhm

true

like this

mhm

i know when we do border and and [firstname1] sees a lady a a a woman sitting there he says uhu

we will have difficulties for sure

now they will go to details we will spend some

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

a long time at the border here

but it could be this is true because er even in the when the security check on the airport

mhm

i prefer to go er

to men

to men because it 's

mhm

goes quicker

easier

it 's more relaxed mhm mhm mhm

yeah yeah

that 's really true

but of course for the job i mean for for work it 's good to be demanding otherwise you can not come to the

sure

to to the results

somebody has to push

yes

yeah yeah yeah

mhm

yes and er this is it i see everything

mhm

even in the quick sight i see

mhm

all these xx so they say oh you must always see the problem but i am look ing for the problem

mhm mhm

mhm

yeah yeah yeah to make sure that everything goes smoothly right right right right hh i mean the only thing y- we have

yeah sure because

normal things are normal to me yes yes yes

to solve it

ri- right right right

yeah

mhm

because at everything it 's it 's okay you expect more

i e- expect to be er okay

mhm

mhm

and of course i do n't punish people but i have to notice

yeah

mhm sure

if some thing can

yeah yeah yeah yeah

can be corrected and

mhm

sie nehmen sich eh noch wasser oder so

ja danke

the only thing is you must not must n't be too annoying so x xxx people so from from time to time you really have to to think oh

yeah

especially to your er kids and so on so

yes th- i think they they they are looking forward to

mhm

go from home because i am always

mhm yeah yeah yeah yeah

asking something more than they want to do

mhm mhm mhm

but it 's good for them in the end

ye ah

actually

yeah in the end but it they they just realize it ten years later

but now they do n't they do n't see it

yeah yeah sure yeah

maybe yeah but

yeah yeah mhm

now they prefer to be with their father who is asking nothing he especially because we are divorced so he he spend his time just having fun

yeah

mhm

mhm

fun with them sure mhm

yeah yeah that 's different

and i am the bad part of the the story i have to

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

force them for all yeah

then education and the normal life and and that 's just

mhm mhm mhm

leisure time

so er i visited my son in greece and erm i spent a week with him so he said it 's the time you go home i want to feel free and he 's looking forward for his father to come because he knows they will go to have fun be there and i come to give him ideas how to

just like every xxx

yeah

yeah yeah

yeah

run the the the the flat and all the domestic things and what to do with money what to do with school and how to do it wi- with books and hh so he 's fed up with me of course

mhm mhm

yeah but that 's also the age different the son and the father and

yeah

one week is enough

he says it 's time you go home

but in the other way er if he has problems then he comes to you and not to not to his father probably

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

he turns to me yes yes this is true

yeah yeah

so

but

and then of course children erm know they feel that you er er as a mother love them unconditiously

mhm mhm mhm

and that they have to er treat their father in special way because if they er do n't do n't catch him er catch his er m

mhm

attention or attraction yeah yeah yeah yeah

attention

he will not be there

yeah he 's not so caring mhm mhm so

no

and not not only because we are divorced but because father love their children con- er conditiously

mhm

yeah yeah yeah differently

you have to have their na me you have to have er some thing that they are proud of

mhm

mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm

many things like this and and child can feel it

mhm

and mother is always there you just have to be

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

hers

right

and love is there

yeah yeah yeah

hm

what ever you do

yeah yeah that 's very true mhm mhm mhm

and this is it

mhm and he 's studying er in athens or

in athens at [org2] university studying in english

mhm

management and marketing

wow mhm

a nd this is three years and on the fourth

mhm

for the bachelor 's degree he has also er banking and financing if he wants to do it

mhm mhm and and do you think that you will you will go there er ha- every half a year or or to visit him or

well it 's rather closed

mhm

it 's five hours by car

mhm

good roads towards nis and then to er macedonia

and so it 's

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

but then that 's not so far

mhm

no it 's not so far so he can come rather often

x x x close

okay

and spend his er holidays

okay yeah

his holidays in in serbia

ri ght they have enough of them mhm

we can come from time to time because er rented a big flat there so there is er room enough for us to come

mhm mhm mhm mhm

mhm

me or my ex-husband or his girlfriend or brother or someone can be there very often so i think it will be

mhm

mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm

not too difficult for him

mhm

mhm mhm

especially because he wanted to go away it was not my idea but his

mhm mhm

x x x sorry

and athens is is quite polluted is n't it d- d- d-

er this is thessaloniki he is in in thessaloniki

aha okay

which is er near to the border

okay okay

and the idea of [org2] university wants to open their school hh for the eastern europe er because in a few years they say they will have many companies

x x x x

coffee

i ordered them already

ah so okay

in eastern europe and they do n't have people to erm

mhm

employ because they are

mhm mhm

all educated in a socialistic way and different education they have

mhm mhm mhm

mhm

mhm

so er they agreed to open their

it 's different yeah yeah

school somewhere where ea- eastern european students can afford to study

oh great

and the the the the stan dard is more similar to

yeah yeah

mhm

mhm

eastern countries in greece than if they go to england for example or to

mhm

m hm mhm

mhm

right yeah yeah yeah

it 's cheaper and it 's safer

i mean to go to england e- espe- especially to london you could n't afford

no it 's er for the scholar ship it 's greece is expensive

cos that 's really crazy

mhm

and then of course renting a flat and his life costs and everything is really very expensive for us

that 's crazy mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm mhm for us as well so that 's no difference hh i mean they are crazy

so my friends from erm british er council it 's an xxxx

yes

mhm

invited me and gave me the idea that er er the school is opened there the uni versity is open there and it would be good if he cou- if he can go there

m hm

hm

because er they all will have opportunities

after wards

for the good companies afterwards

mhm mhm mhm m hm mhm

and we will see what he will do

mhm

and your second one er

is still in your is still in your

he 's working he 's working yes yes

company yeah yeah yeah

yes yes yes and he loves to do it

and

yeah he lives for the company he 's completely yes

really

that 's great mhm mhm

great

yeah